*wondering if I'm being banned for my "freedom of speech" everyone else has in this forum............* That's OK............. I made my point. a SAD day for me I'd never thought it would have come between us......... Americans can't express their feelings about us but every other country can????????????

CGT~ You obviously have not been banned. You are free to express your views but you will be expected to be tolerant of the views of others as they will be expected to be tolerant of yours, regardless of whether it be regarding sex, politics, religions, lifestyles, etc. If you make a political post such as the one you made here, you should expect and respect that someone may have a different view.

If anyone feels they are unable to participate in discussions without it becoming personal, then they should probably avoid posting in those threads. Personal attacks/flaming members will not be tolerated.

When they inflame AMERICANS and the leader of their country......LILITH.......It becomes PERSONAL. We don't talk shit about theirs.

i am in full agreement with CGT. I may not post alot, but i have read alot. and i don't recall seeing very many Tony Blair sucks posts. but people will automatically jump on Bush's back and how American's are dumb for re-electing him.

and I am with CGT in thinking that those kinds of posts are bullshit. i would guarantee if i read and knew the facts and then attacked Tony Blair, people would have a spas attack. my 2 cents. take it how you will

CGT~ many people not only around the world but in this country as well have differing views regarding the US government (as they do about many things). People should not have to walk on eggshells when discussing how they feel about it. If someone says George Bush is an idiot and you take that personally, that is your choice, millions of Americans would not think a thing. Just like if someone said Tony Blair is an idiot and Lou or Fussy took it personally, it would be their choice( if I remember right though Lou would be in agreement, as I think I have seen her post to that idea), ad many Brits would not be troubled by it at all.

On a board made up of all kinds of adults from all over the place, you need to expect people to express views you don't like and you need to find a way to express your own views in return. If someone disagres with you, they have that right. Adults should be capable of adult discussion.

Members are free to post regarding policies and politics in any country you choose as well. We have many anti-Saddam and anti-Bin Laden threads and posts. We have had posts debating the policies in Australia regarding voting. Problem is that many Americans don't really know that much about what goes on in other countries.

In my never so humble opinion, it's part of the ethnocentrism that some other countries accuse us of. I personally prefer not to discuss politics/government here but I realize that considering the enormous part they play in all of our lives is unrealistic to expect. I have learned to participate where I choose, always mindful that US governement and politics affect the much of the world. As has been seen in the recent application of the law that has spurred the change in our pic posting policy.

Just wanted to share a giggle I just had... am I the only one who imagined the British men wearing ties made in Pakistan??? :D

Lilith -

Just wanted to say that no, Fussy and I would not take it personally if anyone were to say that Tony Blair's an idiot, and interestingly enough, he and I both have quite differing views on the subject ourselves.

Fussy and I come from quite different socio-economic backgrounds so it's unsurprising that we have different political views and in the recent General Election we actually voted differently as well. Mine was largely a tactical vote to try to unseat Tony Blair, while Fussy voted for the party he felt would best lead this country. He and his family helped to vote Tony Blair into power last time too, I believe.

We discuss politics a fair amount at home, and I can safely say our discussions have never escalated into anything personal, because, as you say Lilith, we are both capable of adult discussion and we respect each other's views, realising that the difference in our backgrounds and life experiences have resulted in a different world view.

I think you brought up Bush in this thread and talked about the Iraqi war and how this bombing proved the Iraqi war was justified.

Show me where Bush was attacked in this thread.

If you want to get into it, a wonderful right-wing American on this site said Canada didn't get involved with Iraq because Newfoundlanders kill baby seals. It was the equivalent of saying Oklahomans . . . well, let's just say it sucked. My friend hid behind the good old 'I just got this in an email from someone else' yet he insulted my province.

We can't avoid politics here obviously but again, you tooted the horn of how justified this war was when I fail to see the correlation.

Of course I'm not a supporter of Bush. Of course I know you are.

Facts are facts. You can hide behind the flag and cry when I don't kiss your ass for your ideals but come on! You live in a free country. You can talk about how wonderful Bush is but why shouldn't you expect someone to disconstruct your theories?

You're a tough woman, I'm a tough woman. I don't get why you're getting so pissed about this.

And I will ask because some people have said this site's "majority" are anti-Bush:

1) Who has left the site because of politics? (Irish, you keep saying people email you because they've left the site -- if you don't want to give a name, why not at least give us a thread that caused the exodus?)
2) When has any political thread been shot down because of its slant? Left- and right-wing threads are welcome here as long as they're not based on retardedness like "Newfoundlanders kill baby seals and are too busy to be in Iraq".

And honest to Christ, CGT, if you read your reply to my first post here, it really makes no sense. You are not debating facts. I'm telling you that Iraqis were not involved with 9/11 but you still continue to wave the flag and say, from what I can gather, that terrorism is being fought and dealt with cuz Americans are in Iraq right now. Jesus Murphy, Saddam Hussein is insane but HE WASN'T INVOLVED WITH 9/11.

I understand you're patriotic but can you not acknowledge that President Bush has spun this war to show he's protecting Americans after 9/11 even though Iraqis were not involved with it? I pray for the troops, too.

Straight up, I was a member of other mostly-American sites and left them after viewing "Let's kill the towelhead" threads. I would prefer that the site stays away from politics but I know it's a major part of life and I tend to wade in when I see facts are being fucked with. Emotions are one thing, don't fuck with the facts.

cowgirltease,

The reason for the invasion of Iraq was the purported existence, and Saddam Hussein’s documented use, of weapons of mass destruction (chemical & biological), not any assistance the Hussein regime may have provided to al-Qaeda. That argument came later, after the WMDs were not found.

I support Bush and i'm not even American *LOL*

Same as i support the current Prime Minister of Australia....though it can be a very unpopular thing to do

Tough titties...i know who i stand for...i know what i believe...and we can debate it to hell and back but ya aint gonna change my mind *LOL*

I will answer,only the part that my name was mentioned in.My personal code,
will not allow me to mention ANY names.If people,want to,make fun of my
standards, they won't be getting any virgin.I expect the same from said
people.That's what friendships,all about.If others,were trusted,to keep
secrets,they would be e-mailed. Irish
P.S.As in "old time" bikers code!#1 rule is don't" RAT"!If you don't stand for
something,You'll fall for anything. Irish

If you guys south of me feel a warm gush of air.....It's just me sighing. ;)

Damn woman! Quit that! We are experiencing a heat wave here in Iowa! 90 plus degrees, high humidity...the grass is turning brown!!!

(((((BIBI)))))

Same weather here Chey....
LMAO...we just got rain yesterday and today for the first time in weeks.

We're experiencing the same here,only the grass is staying green,& growing faster!The last time that I got gas,for my mower,it was $2.34 for regular.
Therefore,my grass, is longer then I have ever kept it!NOW,I wish that I didn't
have an acre!We got a new computer lately & I have even been turning that
off alot,because the cooling fan in it runs constantly,otherwise! Irish

I love how this thread has gone off topic and is now about something as inoffensive as the weather, but I do just have one final thing to say about the goings-on in this thread.

Just over a week ago, a terrible thing happened to some (most would believe) undeserving people at the hands of some angry, misguided, confused young men.

These young men were aiming to create as much terror, unrest and chaos in our lives as possible.

By falling out with friends and people we care about because of their actions, we're giving them exactly the reaction they are looking for. Everytime there is a cross word caused by them, anywhere in the world, they are winning their fight.

Please. Please. Don't let them win here.

Amen

Amen sister friend... I've been thinking along the thoughts of Lou's post as I was catching up on this post... lest us not forget.

well said lou this thread was about the london tradegy and got hijacked in one way or another. people died in london and personal feelings against politicians should not have been brought to this thread. This should have been for thoose that suffered in a sensless attack by cowards


sorry rest of pixies rant over

As some of you know I am retired from the Air Force. When 9-11 happened I tried to re-enlist but had been out a few months too long. I did the next thing I could and started the long road to my present career. I work for the TSA (those dreaded folks that do the passenger screening at the airport). I was one of the first 300 hired in the nation and visited many cities during that first year training. Shoot I was even in cities where some of you live (and you know who you are). I dedicated my life on 9-11 back to where I had been during my years in the Air Force to one of public service. A day never passes that I don't think about 9-11 and the events in London recently brought tears once again to my eyes. Regardless of your point of view on the causes behind this war - we need to remember the lives touched by the terror they have been forced to live with. My thoughts and prayers are with each and every family touched by those events as well as the families of our service men and women serving today. (Sorry for the soap box)

bare4you,

No problem at all! I'm certain that everyone who would agree that terrorism must be defeated. We only disagree on which techniques to employ, and when.

More this morning.....read on.....


Story

It's just terrible.

I agree with Lil. I also think the terrorists still don't understand that terrorism does not accomplish anything except stiffen the resolve of the people they are attacking.
Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you living in England, especially those of you living in London.

Yes it is terrible and even more, it seems these happenings are going to be here with us for years to come....

:(

I heard someone say some time back that terrorism has a 100% failure rate...that no one is ever won over to the terrorists' cause, & in fact it seems to strengthen the will of the targeted people...with that in mind, my heartfelt respect goes out to our British cousins...

I have one of those little ribbons on my car which say "Freedom isn't Free". Never more evident than what happened again today in London. Cowards!

:x: Thank you for all you have done and continue to do for us.

Hugs for the Brits.

God bless our friends in the UK. You are truly an inspiration to all of us. And ... really ... God bless everyone anywhere in the world where people have been victimized by those who are so filled with hate and cruelty, they specifically target the innocent!

This has got to stop!!! i am so pissy at the moment , why the hell cant the terroists just relize they arnt acheivng their goal of chaos and shud just save their damn money!!!i am going to london on the 30th , i will NOT let any terroist change my plans , i am glad to see everyone who is just returning to work and such and not letting this stop them ! dont let them win!!!

Nikki hit it right on the head. As soon as we allow them to win - they win. All they want to do is force their way of life on those of us that live freely. They will never win because of people like Nikki! Good on ya... :thumb:

Holding my breath for the "other shoe" to drop!

With all the good peeps on this planet...I just wish we could eradicate this mindset of these terrorists/cowards from our lives forever...once and for all...in one fell swoop!

Can you say Hiroshima <sp?>...*and thinking about that statement*...can Lixy even spell it????...Oh Gawd! You know what I mean!

They’ve picked the wrong city to bomb – lived through the IRA – Londoners are proud of their ability to withstand. The Brit police are politely tough – I spent my first 14 years in Belfast.

It would appear they executed the one they caught.

Ok as most of you know I am a bus driver and the London bus bomb really freeked me out.

THe problem now is that we are getting "copy cat" calls and hoax's into every garage almost on a daily basis. Its even dropped so low to the point where school kids last night yelled out on a crowded bus (yes it was mine)

"THERES A BOMB ON THE BUS"
cue 2 hour delay to everyones trip and 4 kids being hauled off to the copshop for a very severe beating (i hope).

Last night in Birmingham there were 2 alerts in the space of 20 mins and 8 police cars screamed past me at some point on my journey into the town centre.

The London bombers may be dead but the terror lives on and that is what i think they wanted. Its all very well having codes that they use to tell if the threats are genuine or not but the day you ignore a bomb message is the day someone dies who didnt need to.

Sorry for the rant

Mayhem, you just be very careful and alert. We're saying a lot of prayers and send you our very best wishes. Hoping one of these days the leadership of all these gangs of murderers will be caught and given the chance to meet their maker.

Heed DB’s wise words MH. There are a lot of people over here, besides one special Pixie, that thinks about you regularly.

I also hope these pieces of scum would get to first meet the brothers and sisters of every innocent victim. Then meet the spouse and children of each one. Then after they meet each mother who lost a child, be given to the fathers of the innocent to be sent to meet their maker. :mad:

A series of bombs have rocked Egypt as well, killing 62 and wounding hundreds. It's so senseless.

I agree, Lil. It's senseless and cruel. Can you imagine the audacity of this scum to claim to be working for God? IDIOTS!